JRWOHLER Thanks for that site. The problem with it is they don't tell you where those tools are built, which means China. I already discovered I can't get an American made one but I won't buy a Chinese one. If that is all that is available I will look for an old, used American one or at least something from Germany. But it is very hard to find anything made in America. I don't care about the price as long as it's made here. It's the Veteran in me.