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Difficult Fish to QT guide (part 2)

Humblefish

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Below is a list of difficult fish to quarantine, with specific recommendations on QT strategies for each group of fish.

Moorish Idol


This is actually an easy fish to QT if you can just get it eating. They are tolerant of most medications and not overly susceptible to many diseases.

QT strategy: Similar to a Copperband, try offering brine, mysis, blackworms, clam, oyster, etc. However, unlike most butterflies a Moorish Idol is omnivorous so you can also try feeding nori in QT. (Soak nori in RODI water if medication(s) are being used, so it absorbs the taste of that and not the medication.) Keep in mind that Moorish Idols have very high metabolisms and thus require multiple daily feedings.

Puffers, Lionfish, Eels and other copper intolerant species

Relatively easy to quarantine, but these fish do not always tolerate copper well.

QT strategy: Puffers will sometimes do OK in chelated copper (e.g. Copper Power). However, puffers, lions and other copper intolerant species do best if treated with Chloroquine phosphate. Hyposalinity (aka Osmotic Shock Therapy) is another option for puffers, but it only treats Ich + Flukes.

Seahorses/Pipefish

Intolerant of copper and (probably) Chloroquine as well. Seahorses are prone to gas bubble disease and certain bacterial infections.

QT strategy: Seahorses do best at temperatures of 70-74F, which discourages harmful bacteria from propagating. They are susceptible to infections which can afflict their snout, tail and gut. Triple Sulfa & Furan-2 are two recommended antibiotics to use. Diamox is the best medication to keep on hand for treating gas bubble disease, and an insulin syringe with a 26-gauge needle can be used to release excess gas from a male's pouch. I've seen Bio-Bandage (Neonmycin-based topical gel) recommended for lacerations.

Pipefish are relatively hardy, but like seahorses do best in a low flow environment. Both seahorses & pipefish are ideal candidates for: Black Molly Quarantine

Sharks, stingrays and eels

Scaleless fish which are intolerant of copper.

QT strategy: Chloroquine phosphate is the treatment of choice for eliminating ectoparasites found on these fish. Dimilin or Dylox can be used to deworm / remove parasites with an exoskeleton found on sharks & rays.

Tangs (primarily Acanthurus spp.)

We've all heard about how "hard" Achilles & Powder Blue Tangs are to keep. They're not. However, they do require a parasite free environment (due to their thin slime coat) and strong water flow for increased oxygen (they are typically collected in crest zones).

QT strategy: Point a powerhead (or run an air stone on high) towards the surface of the water in order to create a disturbance/ripple effect. This will increase gas exchange and infuse more dissolved oxygen into the water. It's also a good idea to prophylactically treat with copper or Chloroquine, in order to eradicate any ich/velvet they may be carrying.

Wrasses (Fairy, Flasher & Leopards) ** Prolific tank jumper, so use a secure lid **

There's a reason they are sometimes referred to as "pain in my wrasse". These fish flat out don't like being in quarantine; especially a rockless, bare bottom environment. They are prone to flukes and internal parasites/intestinal worms. Wrasses are not a big fan of most medications (so take care never to overdose with them.)

QT strategy: Since these fish prefer to lay on sand sometimes (Leopards will burrow), it is advisable to have an area of sand in the QT for them. (Sand in a glass Pyrex bowl works.) You definitely want to deworm all wrasses using praziquantel. Fairy wrasses, Leopards, Halichoeres spp, Anampses spp, Labroides spp, Thalassoma spp, Pseudocheilinops spp tolerate Chloroquine well; Flashers, Coris spp & Pseudocheilinus spp DO NOT. When using copper, most wrasses seem to do better in chelated copper (e.g. Copper Power) than ionic (e.g. Cupramine). Regardless of brand, raise copper very slowly (4-5 days) when treating wrasses.

To deal with the internal problems (you'll see white stringy poo if internal parasites/worms are present), soak food with API General Cure or Fenbendazole for 10-14 days. Seachem Focus can be used to bind the medication to the food.

Being a "pain in the wrasse" qualifies you for: Black Molly Quarantine
 

nightmarepl

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Difficult Fish to QT guide (part 1): Difficult Fish to QT guide (part 1)
@Humblefish awesome write up sir, quick question for you, i have a yellow tang currently in QT using Copper Power been in there for 30+ days with a 2.0-2.25 ppm level of copper slowly started to reduce the copper and noticed " black ich '" was told using prazipro with a 2.5ml dosage ( 10 gallon QT ) 5 days later dose again 2.5ml would kill the black ich well in my case it hasnt died off excepted maybe tripled in amount any advice
 

Humblefish

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@Humblefish awesome write up sir, quick question for you, i have a yellow tang currently in QT using Copper Power been in there for 30+ days with a 2.0-2.25 ppm level of copper slowly started to reduce the copper and noticed " black ich '" was told using prazipro with a 2.5ml dosage ( 10 gallon QT ) 5 days later dose again 2.5ml would kill the black ich well in my case it hasnt died off excepted maybe tripled in amount any advice

Turbellarians (black ich) are notoriously resistant to praziquantel.

I've had some success treating with hypo and giving Fenbendazole baths. But sometimes it's best to bring out the big guns and perform a 45 min formalin bath: Formalin – Marine Fish Diseases and Treatment

Post bath, transfer the fish to a sterile QT. And every 4 days rinse & repeat for a total of 3 baths (spread out over 12 days).

Also be aware that sometimes Turbellarians leave "scarring" behind, meaning the fish may still look like it has black ich.
 

nightmarepl

NJRC Member
Turbellarians (black ich) are notoriously resistant to praziquantel.

I've had some success treating with hypo and giving Fenbendazole baths. But sometimes it's best to bring out the big guns and perform a 45 min formalin bath: Formalin – Marine Fish Diseases and Treatment

Post bath, transfer the fish to a sterile QT. And every 4 days rinse & repeat for a total of 3 baths (spread out over 12 days).

Also be aware that sometimes Turbellarians leave "scarring" behind, meaning the fish may still look like it has black ich.
hmm no alternatives yah ?getting that formalin is tough
 

Humblefish

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hmm no alternatives yah ?getting that formalin is tough

You can use something like this following the dosage instructions below: https://www.amazon.com/Formaldehyde-approx-grade-shipped-states/dp/B01LO8GOQ0
When using 37% formaldehyde dosages are as follows for marine environments above 70°F (otherwise follow directions on the product’s label):

1) In-tank treatment: 1 milliliter (ml) per 10 gallons, or 2 drops per gallon daily in a bare aquarium.

2) 30-45 minute bath treatment: 0.6 ml per gallon, or 12 drops per gallon. Aerate vigorously and treat at this concentration for no more than 45 minutes.

^^ Both options are effective, but the bath treatment exposes the fish (and you) to the carcinogen for the least amount of time.

Fenbendazole probably works just as well, but I haven't used it enough against turbellarians to know if it works as well as it does on monogeneans (flukes): Fish Bendazole Powder - Fenbendazole Wormer - 250mg

But people with freshwater aquariums (e.g. Discus breeders) use Fenbendazole to treat freshwater turbellarians.
 

nightmarepl

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You can use something like this following the dosage instructions below: https://www.amazon.com/Formaldehyde-approx-grade-shipped-states/dp/B01LO8GOQ0


^^ Both options are effective, but the bath treatment exposes the fish (and you) to the carcinogen for the least amount of time.

Fenbendazole probably works just as well, but I haven't used it enough against turbellarians to know if it works as well as it does on monogeneans (flukes): Fish Bendazole Powder - Fenbendazole Wormer - 250mg

But people with freshwater aquariums (e.g. Discus breeders) use Fenbendazole to treat freshwater turbellarians.
ill give it a go soon! thanks for getting back to me
 

nightmarepl

NJRC Member
You can use something like this following the dosage instructions below: https://www.amazon.com/Formaldehyde-approx-grade-shipped-states/dp/B01LO8GOQ0


^^ Both options are effective, but the bath treatment exposes the fish (and you) to the carcinogen for the least amount of time.

Fenbendazole probably works just as well, but I haven't used it enough against turbellarians to know if it works as well as it does on monogeneans (flukes): Fish Bendazole Powder - Fenbendazole Wormer - 250mg

But people with freshwater aquariums (e.g. Discus breeders) use Fenbendazole to treat freshwater turbellarians.
Hey @Humblefish saw my tang today didn’t look too good had like build up on his face any idea
 

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Humblefish

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Hey @Humblefish saw my tang today didn’t look too good had like build up on his face any idea

I would give him a 5 min FW dip to see if any of those "white things" detach: Freshwater Dip – Marine Fish Diseases and Treatment

If they do, then it's probably worms of some sort (like flukes).

If the FW dip has no impact then it's probably viral lesions. However, treating with Metroplex + Kanaplex might be prudent just in case it's something bacterial in nature. When I scrape something like that off a fish, sometimes it's viral, sometimes bacterial. Both look identical unless viewed under a microscope.
 

nightmarepl

NJRC Member
I would give him a 5 min FW dip to see if any of those "white things" detach: Freshwater Dip – Marine Fish Diseases and Treatment

If they do, then it's probably worms of some sort (like flukes).

If the FW dip has no impact then it's probably viral lesions. However, treating with Metroplex + Kanaplex might be prudent just in case it's something bacterial in nature. When I scrape something like that off a fish, sometimes it's viral, sometimes bacterial. Both look identical unless viewed under a microscope.
haha i came home for lunch hes eating swimming and his face cleared up this fish is the biggest headache ever haha going to finish treatment with prazipro seems to be working most of the black spots are only only see 1-2 another 2 cycles should hopefully kill it completely if it pops back than ill look into your method thanks for the awesome advice!
 
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