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29gallon newbie

timdmb said:
hey mike thanks for the reply, ill take u up on the zoas at some point... im still a little nervous about jumping into the corals just yet, especially with all this algae growing i think i must be missing something somewhere, was i right about those little white things moving around most likely being some type of pod? are the stars fairly hardy? will i have any problems with incompatibilies and the stars in the future?

No problem! Have you tested for phosphate? If it is high from using tap water or feeding too much that will leat to algae problems...
 
I have a sand sifting cucumber...it is not as cool as Sam's stars..but given the amount of room I have..they are better suited for smaller areas in some ways. It is not the cutest thing...my daughter has named it the sea turd ;)
 
i havent tested for phosphates however i havent used tap except for the initial fill, i had planned on buying a reef test kit at some point, maybe ill do that as well this week, ive been topping off with distilled water, i know its to be expected to have this dark brown/reddish/tan algae in new tanks, i guess ill just minimize the lighting again and see if it helps, iwas keeping the tank lit approx 9-10 hours a day maybe ill cut it back to about 6hours a day and see how that goes.. JR... the name def makes it, sea turd is hysterical ill do some reading on both and see where i end up, i figured after i did my routine cleaning and stuff id add something this week, so ill get the tank all clean and do a water change for the new addition, any other suggestions are welcome thanks everyone
 
SEA TURD,LOL ;D I would let snails and crabs do all the maintenance. Sea turd are very good sand cleaners. I wouldn't get any stars cuz they all eat fish giving any opportunity. If you don't believe me, ask Ronnie, LOL 8hrs photo period should be good for now.
 
i tested the water today after cleaning and doing a water change, trates 0 trites ammonia 0, sg 1.025, the only thing is after vaccuming the water is filled with alage? floating around, question is would it be ok to start adding in corals and or fish?
 
Do you have a current pic? I would guess you still have some phos. in the water, but it will not hurt the fish. What is your current status with exporting nutrients ... water changes, skimmer, filter ect? When you add the bioload it is is going to add nutrients to the water. I would suggest doing a water change before adding fish. I have found in getting my tank cleaned up that regular water changes are the most important thing you can do.
 
the tank has been up for about 2 months, ive really just begun doing water changes about 2.5 gallons every two weeks, (29 gallon tank with about 8 or 9 gallons in the sump) im skimming (was pulling out a decent amount of skimmate, about quarter cup every week or so), theres essentially no bioload yet, i have 5 snails and a couple small hermits cleaning up, pictures to come, but there has really been very little change since the last pic i posted i believe, since vaccuming the water has cleared
 
i added a sand sifting star a couple snails and a halloween hermit... id really like to start adding corals or a fish what do you guys think
 

panmanmatt

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The sand sifting star will most likely starve in such a new tank. They need a mature sand bed to feed from. You can try supplementing him with some frozen foods but this rarely works.

As for fish and corals I would wait a couple more weeks to give your bio filter a chance to catch up. Keep feeding the tank and checking your levels. If they are still at zero than add 1 or 2 small fish. At that time you could also add a small coral frag or 2 also.
 
panmanmatt said:
The sand sifting star will most likely starve in such a new tank. They need a mature sand bed to feed from. You can try supplementing him with some frozen foods but this rarely works.

As for fish and corals I would wait a couple more weeks to give your bio filter a chance to catch up. Keep feeding the tank and checking your levels. If they are still at zero than add 1 or 2 small fish. At that time you could also add a small coral frag or 2 also.

I disagree with the above statement about the star. I have about 12 LBS of sand in a 70 gallon tank (Just enough to leave bare spots of glass in some spots. At most a dusting in others). I got my Sand Sifting Sea Star when my tank was 1 month old. He's doing just fine...
 
mike do u feed ur star? its my understanding that they can decimate the fauna in the sand bed, however they do a great job of deterring anearobic conditions in the sand bed, if i do supplement what sould i supplement with and how often?
 
I think instead of money on spent feeding star, a small refugium could be set up - where a population of fauna could reproduce and replenish your sandbed...(thereby feeding your star) and will also provide some nitrate export (via the pruning of macro algae).

Alternative critters that help the sand bed could be a combination of cerith and nassarius snails, polychaete worms, mini stars, conches or cukes. Or all of the above.

I do agree with matt though - a 29 gallon may be a little too small for one of these stars (even if you do set up the refugium). Hopefully it'll work out for you, but if it doesn't - consider an alternative to the star in the future. If it were me, I'd try the nassarius snails and cerith snails. The nass are leftover food eaters and the ceriths are algae eaters - both live in the sand...Good luck!
 
timdmb said:
mike do u feed ur star? its my understanding that they can decimate the fauna in the sand bed, however they do a great job of deterring anearobic conditions in the sand bed, if i do supplement what sould i supplement with and how often?

I don't feed my star, but I do have a 30 gallon fuge on my tank. I second the fuge suggestion. I would not do a tank without one.
 
timdmb said:
im also fAirly tight on room, i dunno if a refugium is really a viable option right now for me

Look at Reef Central in the Do it yourself forum. All you really need is a old fishtank (a 10 gallon would fit in your stand), or a rubbermaid container with a clip-on light. You could do dividers or baffles in it.
 
new additions today: elephant ear mushroom and a gren star polyp colony; the gsp hasnt really come out yet but no lights so hopefully tommorow i can get some pics, wish me luck people
 
Congrats Tim, The tank is looking great ;D

if you want to do a fuge let me know..
you can make one with a 10g tank for about $25 and it's supper easy.

is looks something like this:
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I'm changing stands as soon as I get my new sump/fuge done and I'm giving
this one to Danny for his frag tank so you can see it in person soon I hope.
 
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